Giotto
New Fighter
Demon-Human Age: 13 PROFILE ZENIE
"I don't know I'm 'bout to smoke a blunt"
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Post by Giotto on May 4, 2009 20:23:28 GMT -5
Dear Caj
Instead of Posts = Power and base posts = 10,000
Make Posts hidden And add a function on the sidebar there called Power Level Where Power Level = (# of posts)^0.9
And start players at 0 powerlevel. Do not explain the system; no need. Just explain that power is a factor of posts.
Also, state that Power Level is representative of actual dragon ball powerlevels.
This way, at
100 posts = 63 PL 200 = 118PL 500 = 269 1000 = 501
As you can see, posts are worth more at lower post counts than at higher ones. This curves, making posts at even higher post counts worth much less.
If I attain 500 posts during the first saga, I will then be at 268PL, roughly the equivalent of Goku fighting Piccolo in Dragon Ball.
To progress the players powerlevels more like actual DB/DBZ, change the formula to multiply a factor of 10 into the players actual post count when calculating power level.
Multiply the internal post count by 10^(Saga Number) BEFORE applying the ^0.9
This means every player will be stronger at the end of a saga To account for that, each new post will also accrue more power level for that player.
So all you have to do is make a sidebar thingy that states:
PL = (Post Count x 10^(Most recently finished saga number))^0.9
So to start, it's (Post Count x (10^0)) ^.9
and you change the first exponent variable every saga.
Example Progression (assuming I make 500 posts/saga):
Posts - Power Level 1 - 1 10 - 8 50 - 34 100 - 63 200 - 118 500 - 269 (saga 2) 500 - 2,133 750 - 3,073 1,000 - 3,981 (saga 3) 1,000 - 31,623 1,250 - 38,656 1,500 - 45,549
etc.
More examples
Posts - Power Level First Saga 1=1 10=8 50=34 100=63 250=144 500=269 1000=501 1500=722 2000=935 3000=1347 5000=2133 10,000=3981
Second Saga 1=8 10=63 50=269 100=501 250=1143 500=2133 1000=3981 1500=5734 2000=7429 3000=10701 5000=16946 10000=31623
Third Saga 1=63 10=501 50=2133 100=3981 250=9081 500=16946 1000=31623 1500=45549 2,000=59,010 3,000=84,988 5,000=134,609 10,000=251,189
I think this is the best formula:
Y=((X + 50^(Z)) x 5^(Z))^0.9
Where Y = Power Level X = Post Count Z = Number of Sagas completed (starting at 0)
I don't feel like explaining it but I played around with the numbers and this works on a curve, and also helps new players to start, and keep hardcore posters from getting ahead.
Keeping in mind you want lengthier posts to add to post count, I think these numbers work pretty well.
wait
ignore that
all of it
MAYBE ILL COME BACK TO THIS, FOR NOW ITS BROKEN AND EACH SYSTEM EITHER DOESNT WORK WELL AT THE LOW POSTS, HIGH POSTS, OR MIDRANGE POSTS
goddamnit
But I know I'm on to something.
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Post by Blaze on May 4, 2009 22:00:26 GMT -5
I'm all in favor of maths but the big issue becomes calculating power levels every week, or day, or w/e.
Also, Giotto is posting. You coming back nigger?
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Post by attleborotaco on May 4, 2009 22:33:20 GMT -5
Giotto Sighting
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Post by Blaze on May 5, 2009 0:55:48 GMT -5
So now comes the question. Which pokemon is he? Abra or Pidgey
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Post by Majin Cajabe on May 5, 2009 1:10:01 GMT -5
It really would be cool if we could get actual DBZ-style Power Levels... aren't I glad I only went to the first majors with my trans lists... just in case you do finally figure this out... <_<;;
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Post by Edge on May 5, 2009 9:14:06 GMT -5
Well if you impliment something like this:
Training: adds 0.20% onto your power level, so you'd need to train for 5 posts, to get a 1% power level increase. (Making 5 posts be the deciding factor)
Training with a sensei: 5% - 15% onto your power level.
HBTC: adds 30 - 60% onto your power level, if you train for a full year (2 times max)
So if your power level was 500, training in the HBTC for 2 years (I'd say 730 posts, 365 per year) , would give you a power level of: (Assuming you got 50% extra from both training)
1000, meaning you'd essentially have a power level of 1000 + the posts you did, which would be roughly 146, making your final power level: 1146...
worthless, unless you save HBTC training for later levels.
Keeping post count as power level is essential, but if handled a certain way, will make things...different?
There's a specific program for proboards that you can download, that will give you stats based on how many times you post, that the staff can edit whenever they choose..
Maybe we could do a whole:
Strength, Ki, Spirit, and Power Level system?
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Post by Majin Cajabe on May 5, 2009 11:20:43 GMT -5
What the hell, Junior, the staff won't edit someone's PL every time they train, while also paying attention to the specific circumstances each time they train.
Type 1 post -> Get 1 post. Wow, now that's simple. What an awesome system. Giotto is helping us figure if we can convert those posts to PL by some equation, rather than them being simply equal to PL (but by some new PL-scale that's different to traditional DBZ scouter readings).
No stats this time... otherwise I would've carried over the old LoDBZ system... all there is is racial stuff, which doesn't need stats, just understanding.
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Post by attleborotaco on May 5, 2009 13:28:35 GMT -5
Lol Junior, useless as always
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Post by Edge on May 5, 2009 21:21:46 GMT -5
Lol Junior, useless as always I'm sorry if we all can't be ass kissing nubs like you, Reiji.
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Post by Edge on May 5, 2009 21:22:34 GMT -5
What the hell, Junior, the staff won't edit someone's PL every time they train, while also paying attention to the specific circumstances each time they train. Type 1 post -> Get 1 post. Wow, now that's simple. What an awesome system. Giotto is helping us figure if we can convert those posts to PL by some equation, rather than them being simply equal to PL (but by some new PL-scale that's different to traditional DBZ scouter readings). No stats this time... otherwise I would've carried over the old LoDBZ system... all there is is racial stuff, which doesn't need stats, just understanding. Well yeah, I guess you're right. I was just trying some "wishful thinking" or whatever... v.v;;
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Post by Majin Cajabe on May 6, 2009 0:16:04 GMT -5
Reiji's not really an ass-kisser... he's too much of a bitch to be one of those (except to Blaze)... <_<;;
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Post by Edge on May 6, 2009 5:27:03 GMT -5
Reiji's not really an ass-kisser... he's too much of a bitch to be one of those (except to Blaze)... <_<;; That's what I was referring to
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Post by Blaze on May 6, 2009 9:12:07 GMT -5
It's not his fault. I don't blame anyone who can't resist my sexy
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Post by Tyson on May 6, 2009 15:05:00 GMT -5
Maybe we really don't even have a power system...but rather like Requirements in order to get transformations. Idk just an idea....something a little different
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Post by Edge on May 6, 2009 15:17:05 GMT -5
Good idea Mox,
Something like...?
Powered Up Form: (105%) Requires you to have trained for (X) posts, ect.
Super Saiyan (110%) Requires extreme anger, or a close friend being hurt, ect.
Super Saiyan Ascended: Requires Super Saiyan 1, requires training for (X) posts, requires training in the HBTC for (X) month, days, years
Something to that effect?
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Post by Majin Cajabe on May 6, 2009 15:18:00 GMT -5
This is DBZ... Power Level = everything. You just have to make PL fair, is all.
And the whole disadvantage of being a saiyan is the transformation training requirements. So your idea is broken'd. You guys haven't seen what SSJ3 takes... DAMN that's tough...
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Post by Tyson on May 6, 2009 17:41:42 GMT -5
Well....Junior was on the right track...and Making it fair is what I meant by adding Requirements to it rather than
"I posted morz than you...I win" That stuff gets old and all dbz's...or most...are based on that.
and if post are needed say you got even attempt to obtain one of these transformations until you have reached X post.
BD wasn't all about PL it was about some good fighting and techniqes with in the fighting...... Come on ...think about it Rock, Paper , Scissors tee hee
The Db Era of this site should be more about development of your characters story rather than his strengths....along with some epic fights.
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Post by Blaze on May 6, 2009 21:09:54 GMT -5
The Db Era of this site should be more about development of your characters story rather than his strengths....along with some epic fights. I'll agree with this
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Post by attleborotaco on May 6, 2009 21:11:13 GMT -5
The Db Era of this site should be more about development of your characters story rather than his strengths....along with some epic fights. I'll agree with this Me too
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Post by Tyson on May 6, 2009 21:16:32 GMT -5
Well....at least some of it was liked
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Post by Majin Cajabe on May 7, 2009 0:29:00 GMT -5
Well how're you supposed to out-PL someone when you only have a few 100 posts difference and you're both over 10'000? Think about it, Mox, I've already taken ALL of this in to account. Fights to begin with are all about RPing ability, how you use your techs, and how you use your unlocked abilities.
You should read more of the stuff on teh site.
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Post by Tyson on May 7, 2009 10:32:11 GMT -5
Well how're you supposed to out-PL someone when you only have a few 100 posts difference and you're both over 10'000? Think about it, Mox, I've already taken ALL of this in to account. Fights to begin with are all about RPing ability, how you use your techs, and how you use your unlocked abilities. You should read more of the stuff on teh site. Hm...the normal...try and help and some one has to go crazy on ya Well......Nevermind that I even try to help Psh..
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Post by Majin Cajabe on May 7, 2009 10:55:42 GMT -5
I wasn't going crazy... you're misperceiving... this is the internet, remember? The way you visualize what you read can be one of hundreds of possibilities.
Mox, I appreciate you're trying to balance the site out, but I was assuring you that it's all okay. I'm confident that these new systems will work.
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Post by Tyson on May 7, 2009 17:14:31 GMT -5
Well Ok then sounds good to me
*Dances in skirt and waits to RP some good old DBZ style*
^_^
*Makes sure that Reiji and Blaze are not trying to look up it*
>_>
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Post by attleborotaco on May 7, 2009 19:06:40 GMT -5
Mox, its too late bud, i already took your ass virginity
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Post by Tyson on May 7, 2009 21:51:13 GMT -5
Hm...no wonder why I was dancing a little weird
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Giotto
New Fighter
Demon-Human Age: 13 PROFILE ZENIE
"I don't know I'm 'bout to smoke a blunt"
Posts: 10,013
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Post by Giotto on May 15, 2009 23:20:33 GMT -5
WOW YOU ALL ACCEPTED MY GENERAL IDEA WITHOUT FLAMING ME
Nice.
Okay, here's the deal.
I don't think an equation will work, I did some serious number-testing when I wrote this, and at least the proposed ideas I have up there are all wrong for different reasons.
Since the RP started already, it should go into effect soon if a different system will be used at all (which I really think there should be one)
Anyway, this is what I got:
"Power Level" on the sidebar there displayed still as a factor of posts.
Works like this- At the beginning of the RP, Power Level = Posts + 100 (some small number like that)
First saga, everything works like the old days, but starting at 100, to balance the same way starting at 10,000 does now.
Second saga, all you do is this- modify the internal "Power Level" to be Post Count + X
where X is 50% of the top posters post count. Maybe more, like 75%, if you really want the RP to be less revolving around post count. You give the post boost to the top poster, too.
Ex:
1st saga Post counts (+ 100)
Reiji - 300 Giotto - 400 Caj - 200 Blaze - 350
(IM THE MOST POWERFUL)
At the end of the saga, you change the PL formula. You add half the top posters, 400, to the pre-existing modifier, which is 100, so add 200, and X is changed to 300 in the "Posts + X" thingy.
2nd saga starting PLS are:
Reiji - 500 Giotto - 600 Caj - 400 Blaze - 550
Giotto goes from being twice as strong as Caj to 150% as strong - a drastic decrease. The system works because its not the numbers that matter, it's the relation between them all.
Giotto is still the strongest, where he should be for have the most posts, but no so much and the other players can catch up much more easily now.
Seperately,
if you want The "Power Level" function to work representatively of actual DBZ power levels, then add another variable.
Make it:
Power Level = (Post Count + X) * (11^Y)
X is the first variable, previously discussed.
Y = Current Saga - 1
So for right now, Y = 0
10^0 = 1, so it doesn't do anything.
Every saga, add 1 to it to multiple everyones post by 11, 121, etc. (at first I thought 10, 100, etc but that's not enough to make it realistic).
I don't see how it can really go wrong. The current system works too well at what it tries to do, IMO
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Post by attleborotaco on May 15, 2009 23:23:31 GMT -5
Fuck this system
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Post by attleborotaco on May 15, 2009 23:24:55 GMT -5
I hate you
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Post by Katatonia on May 15, 2009 23:26:47 GMT -5
"The current system works too well at what it tries to do." XD
Interesting.
Anyways, this is way better than the older post=power stuff, but I'm trying to make the whole PL differences miniscule and merely result in minor scale-tippage rather than giving anyone the chance to suddenly post whore up even if it does reduce in magnitude by the start of the next saga.
Some moron, who's name shall be Natalie, wished with the Dragon Balls numerous times in the past to elaborately construct this ridiculous new power level scheme which keeps everyone on an extremely similar level.
My system is very awkward, but I stand by it because, like you said, it works too well at what it intends to do, which is what I wanted. An overshot. XD
Minions are +5000 BTW, too. How will you work those in?
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